If you have never met Erich or seen his stuff, you need to reach out & schedule a visit. He refurbishes and fully retins true French copperware. The best I have ever seen, with dates back into the 1800s. You can catch his booth at the Rose Bowl Flea Market or contact him through his website for an appointment to visit his workshop, but if you are looking for authentic French copper cookware, he produces the best in the US. He is deeply passionate about the quality of the work and products he sells. True artisan.